Constructive Criticism

[Deathdog]

Go ahead and point out the flaws. Just make sure it is constructive criticism and not a blanket statement.
-fire

Hello I am Deathdog If you didn't already know. I am here to talk to you today about "constructive criticism." This will be a long post so go ahead and skip ahead if you aren't into reading. I will be addressing topics underneath this statement and will try to quote as many people as I can. Second, this post is about jailbreak (the only server I play on CSS) and the admins, as well as the forums. Keep in mind these topics are not presented in any order. If you have a comment about this post try not to focus it on me, yet rather the issues. Also, just like any other review of something, please remember these are my opinions on the topics at hand and if you don't have the same views as I then please refrain yourself from trying to express how "you are right and I am wrong," in the replies. Everyone has their own opinions, and in everyone's mind they are the victim and not the villain.

This is not a complaint due to the fact that the word COMPLAINT has a negative connotation usually referring to whining. I am merely making suggestions.

• 1. Donor Admin

I myself have been a donor admin, an what I can say about it is that you don't need it. The reasons I can see for there being the existence of this product is for the funding of servers, and the protection of the server's players when an admin is offline. However the cons of donor admin is that players tend to abuse it. Another thing about donor admin I dislike is the way certain people use it. You shouldn't have to use donor admin when an admin is on the server, or if an admin online can fix the problem himself. If all the admins are offline (which is highly unlikely) then that should be the only time you use it. I find it so hard to imagine that people could abuse 4 commands that only last for a round or 5 min. People shouldn't be banning people with donor admin, especially when the voteban bans the players for 30.min. instead of 5. I have yet to see any of the hardcore JB players say that then encourage donor admin.

• Subtopic - Slipin

Slipin has been on this jailbreak server as long as I have if not longer... he has also been banned for a variety of incidents. Yet one of his most infamous traits is his donor admin. I'm not saying Slipin should be banned at this second, I'm saying this server should take steps to avoid donor admin abuse.

i clearly remember getting banned from the server for banning somone for talking shit to me when i had donor admin.

I just look through sourcebans I don't see a ban that has a reason for any abuse of donor admin. Can you link me to the ban or something because if you can prove you've been banned for this I'd be more than happy to ban Slipin as well.

Not Danksta's, but check out Slipin's:
http://disc-ff.com/sourcebans/index.php ... 958&Submit

1/6/13 - donor
1/3/13 - donor
1/1/13 - donor
8/30/12 - donor
8/22/12 - donor
8/9/12 - donor
8/9/12 - donor


Edit: here's Danksta's list:
http://disc-ff.com/sourcebans/index.php ... 448&Submit
7/24/12 - donor
^perhaps that's what he's referring to.

• Admins and Respect

One currently ongoing debate is Admin respect. Blaze and Danksta were both banned for disrespect. After Blaze's ban, a topic was made by Mafia stating "Blaze is gay". I feel that just like phantom says:

lol what evera panthom u where not there and there where other admins so here keep your nosie out of it idc what u think u didnt see it

k well you shouldn't be banning people for disrespect because you aren't a respectable person. Don't do it again.

In order for players to be banned for disrespect the person who bans them has to be respectable to the players. I am saying that admins/donor admins should respect other players to gain respect for themselves.

• MOTD and Rules of Thumb

One of the things I dont like is the rules of thumb on this server. This means these are rules not stated in the MOTD yet still enforced. One admin says:

Also most of the rules are more of a "blanket" covering many situations than strictly "do it and ban" kind of rule, so we can point to it and tell a player to stop misbehaving.

17. Is another "blanket" rule, usually we don't ban people for this unless they do excessively, though if they start doing it over and over again we can point to this rule and say "Hey, stop that!"

Another admin told me that they don't mention them in the MOTD because they do not want to make it too long, and that it should be for new players who don't know what they are doing. If you do not want to make it too long then make an in depth MOTD as well as the "blanket rule" MOTD.

Also most of the rules are more of a "blanket" covering many situations than strictly "do it and ban" kind of rule, so we can point to it and tell a player to stop misbehaving.

17. Is another "blanket" rule, usually we don't ban people for this unless they do excessively, though if they start doing it over and over again we can point to this rule and say "Hey, stop that!"

• No Evidence

If an Admin or Donor Admin sees an event happening that goes against the MOTD then they should slay/kick/ban the person. But sometimes admins dont see the offence take place and rely on other players to tell them it happened. An example would be Ghound being banned from Mafia because Slipin told him to. An admin/donor admin should have cold, hard, facts before them to ban/slay/kick. If they didn't witness the event and the player has no proof tell them "too bad, next time record a demo."

If a Donor admin see's it he should take the appropriate action, yet banning and muting as a donor admin is not as effective as Votemuting and Votebanning. Just rally the players together to Voteban the perpetrator and he will get banned for 30min instead of 5min, or get a real admin on if "their punishment must be more severe." -Bane

If I find any more of theese problems i will post a reply on this forum, for now please leave positive feedback.

[TeflonDon]

Great Post. Shows Facts. Not just a rage post. And nice job on quoting.

[AVALANCHE]

• 1. Donor Admin

I myself have been a donor admin, an what I can say about it is that you don't need it. The reasons I can see for there being the existence of this product is for the funding of servers, and the protection of the server's players when an admin is offline. However the cons of donor admin is that players tend to abuse it. Another thing about donor admin I dislike is the way certain people use it. You shouldn't have to use donor admin when an admin is on the server, or if an admin online can fix the problem himself. If all the admins are offline (which is highly unlikely) then that should be the only time you use it. I find it so hard to imagine that people could abuse 4 commands that only last for a round or 5 min. People shouldn't be banning people with donor admin, especially when the voteban bans the players for 30.min. instead of 5. I have yet to see any of the hardcore JB players say that then encourage donor admin.

• Subtopic - Slipin

Slipin has been on this jailbreak server as long as I have if not longer... he has also been banned for a variety of incidents. Yet one of his most infamous traits is his donor admin. I'm not saying Slipin should be banned at this second, I'm saying this server should take steps to avoid donor admin abuse.

• No Evidence

If an Admin or Donor Admin sees an event happening that goes against the MOTD then they should slay/kick/ban the person. But sometimes admins dont see the offence take place and rely on other players to tell them it happened. An example would be Ghound being banned from Mafia because Slipin told him to. An admin should have cold, hard, facts before them to ban/slay/kick. If they didn't witness the event and the player has no proof tell them "too bad, next time record a demo."

If I find any more of theese problems i will post a reply on this forum, for now please leave positive feedback.

So if an admin doesn't see it, but a donor admin does, should they or should they not get involved?

• Admins and Respect

One currently ongoing debate is Admin respect. Blaze and Danksta were both banned for disrespect. After Blaze's ban, a topic was made by Mafia stating "Blaze is gay". I feel that just like phantom says:

lol what evera panthom u where not there and there where other admins so here keep your nosie out of it idc what u think u didnt see it

k well you shouldn't be banning people for disrespect because you aren't a respectable person. Don't do it again.

In order for players to be banned for disrespect the person who bans them has to be respectable to the players. I am saying that admins/donor admins should respect other players to gain respect for themselves.

This one I find completely funny. Some admins have really thin skin when it comes to "disrespect". Especially when they start it.

• MOTD and Rules of Thumb

One of the things I dont like is the rules of thumb on this server. This means these are rules not stated in the MOTD yet still enforced. One admin says:

Also most of the rules are more of a "blanket" covering many situations than strictly "do it and ban" kind of rule, so we can point to it and tell a player to stop misbehaving.

17. Is another "blanket" rule, usually we don't ban people for this unless they do excessively, though if they start doing it over and over again we can point to this rule and say "Hey, stop that!"

Another admin told me that they don't mention them in the MOTD because they do not want to make it too long, and that it should be for new players who don't know what they are doing. If you do not want to make it too long then make an in depth MOTD as well as the "blanket rule" MOTD.

This one's annoying when one admin says "you can't be in xyz" but another says you can, or admins saying "you can't expand warday until 6" and others saying "5:30". Or certain admin(s) thinking if you don't say "no cheating" that you can use guns in a dodgeball fight...

[Deathdog]

Edited, just for you avalanch

If an admin is on the server and doesn't notice it then they should tell the admin so that they can CTban or Ban the player for a longer time.

If they are alone, without admins, they should ask an admin first. If it was a flat out mass freekill they should get an admin in to perm ban him and not give him a little "5min" ban.

[MAFIA]

Edited, just for you avalanch

If an admin is on the server and doesn't notice it then they should tell the admin so that they can CTban or Ban the player for a longer time.

If they are alone, without admins, they should ask an admin first. If it was a flat out mass freekill they should get an admin in to perm ban him and not give him a little "5min" ban.

just want add something we never get call before say someone free-killer in server but you guys need start call admin before donor admin take care of that shit because im on everyday

[Deathdog]

just want add something we never get call before say someone free-killer in server but you guys need start call admin before donor admin take care of that shit because im on everyday

Exactly, people should be asking admins before going to donor admins.

[MAFIA]

just want add something we never get call before say someone free-killer in server but you guys need start call admin before donor admin take care of that shit because im on everyday

Exactly, people should be asking admins before going to donor admins.

well i dont know half out donor admin people only know slipin that all

[TeflonDon]

Is FriedBanana a donor admin?

[MAFIA]

http://disc-ff.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2401

[zAnt]

Just more Jailbreak/Mini-games drama.