zorark complaint

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Re: zorark complaint

Postby Petricor » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:41 pm

Ishtar: 10 minute round hale lol
- make him less time consuming
happens with every boss, its more so the person playing him needs to stop being so passive.
zorarks' abilities makes it almost impossible to catch up to, if the player controlling the boss' desire is to just run away, unless you're a scout
Sol Invictus: broken maybe not, just annoying and no fun
- if he's balanced @many, atleast make him less of a nuisance to play against. his abilties may vary on that
People find weeping angel annoying because of her rage. People find Deman annoying because of his minion spam. People hate Shulks ability to spam jump in circles for 5 minutes to get one kill. If we tried to fix everything just because people think its annoying there wouldn't be an end to it because everyone is annoyed by something some boss has. You say change him, but the only change you ever hint at is to reduce the cloak or the health on a boss that is already losing slightly over half of his matches.
zorark is one of the most complaint bosses out of any of those bosses. majority of people find this boss is MOST annoying out of all others because of the way it was designed, complaints about other bosses like Deman, Weeping Angel, and Shulk are minor, because very few find it a problem while most find it to be alright, but MUCH more people agree that zorark is outright absurd
PopTop: it takes me 10 minutes to load up the server itself, and then this bullshit, why o why, god?
- doesnt take a genius to understand what he said and to fix it
If it takes you 10 minutes to load the server alone then I feel like a longer boss round is the least of your problems.
You're right that this is pretty irrelevant to the boss on the server, this would be better

PopTopMop: really though they should add something to make it so they need to constantly be attacking
-What he said
Shakes: the amount of complaints should tell you how broken the boss is
-this can support my complaint, and shakes had said multiple things the boss is obnoxious in doing [Faster Than Scout Speed] [Cloak] [Disguise] [Large Health Pool] [Short Superjump Cooldown], pretty much a hide and seek boss, not so fun when you're dead or sitting by the team not doing anything because you can't find him, and if you try to find him you end up dead, and you wait for the next 10 minutes for the hide and seek cycle continues.
Again if the boss is so broken then he wouldn't be losing nearly as much as he does. even past bosses that people would suicide with one alive at the end of the round have shown some difference compared to this. Also the jump the boss has is the same as guts dash ability with the only difference being that its stronger since it has a longer cool down then guts does.
i've made different term to describe what shake meant by broken by pointing out the abilities zorark has that makes it extremely easy for the boss user to get away and delay round time, and it doesn't put a smile on anyone's faces for sit around waiting for the boss to come back to fight, and then to run away just to delay round time some more to piss people off, shakes didnt really mean broken in balancing terms, he meant broken in the way his abilities makes him extremely passive to go up against.
Epic Scout Main: this hale is the worst, this hale was made for stalling
- doesnt take a genius to understand what he said and to fix it
this part is pretty much worthless in my opinion. The same player was complaining about the bosses rage. which I shouldn't need to comment considering its literally only a screen darken that last a short amount of time and nothing else. Honestly that rage is extremely weak as opposed to pretty much any boss we have.
he's saying the way zorark was designed lacks activity in fighting against players, that includes the abilities and the rage, something players agree on
By all means if you have an idea that fixes the issues you have with him without harming the current ratio your welcome to suggest it. But as the others said, your not giving any real suggestions and it looks/sounds like your just bickering over the fact that you dislike the boss.
i said i agree with everything being said from the players' thoughts, and i suggested examples of how the boss could be fixed, there's many ways, and before there's any more responses that includes me bickering instead of suggesting something, i'll state it now so that it's no longer brought up

- Longer Jump Cooldown [Boss jumps way too quickly before we can even get a chance to take bits of his health down]
- Take away his cloak (And keep the Disguise) 1st methmod [Cloak is too often, or atleast lessen the cloak time]
- Take away his disguise (And keep the Cloak) 2nd method [ Disguises way too often which doesn't even give us a chance to spycheck sucessfully {checking everyone but he comes right after we spycheck}], or atleast lower disguise cooldown
- Lower his health since his abilities are designed for stealth [Gigantic health for a stealth boss is absurd, especially when he's designed as a HIDE and SEEK boss]
Kary: 10 min left and we have only played 2 boss rounds
- boss clearly delays the game, no evidence needed hop on the server when someones playing as zorark, you'll get annoyed and see how long it takes for a single round of that boss to finish, atleast one complaint is said every time someone plays as zorark (don't relate to static shock because they've already fixed him and no one complains about him anymore, only as a joke since he had a history of not being well balanced).
at least one complaint is said every time someone plays pretty much any boss in general. Also sorry to say but If I hop on the server and a zoroark is wasting to much time I warn him to hurry up because I know how quick his rounds can be played and that the player is the one wasting time.
i highly doubt that a complaint is said everytime someone plays any boss. i'm not dragging it to a point where its rare but theres many times where people think the boss is alright, if you mean complain in serious complain, thats really unlikely, if you mean complain as in a joke, static shock for example, then that's not really relevant to the zorark scenario. and the screenshots took place when there WEREN'T any staff on, that allowed the players to have a choice to do whatever they even want as the hale. if they want to delay the entire round, they can just keep avoiding the players with their abilities. if there were staff on ofcourse he'd be dealt with because they have power to do something about it, while other players don't have power, which leads to the boss user's free choice to do what they want as the boss, recently just delaying the round hiding and coming out at times, from their own will. I probably should've mentioned that the hop onto the server part wouldn't really prove my point since you're staff whose responding to this, anyone else that's a member would see what I mean since they have no role to enforce rules on the server.

if the hit and run tactic is a type of how the boss functions then players really dislike it, especially how it is now, the abilities are fair and balanced, but can be abused to an unfair advantage that's patience wise, atleast tone it down with the health and abilities by shortening them at an amount where it's not easily used as an infinite source for running away all the time.
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Re: zorark complaint

Postby Benstartri » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:55 pm

Petricor wrote: if the hit and run tactic is a type of how the boss functions then players really dislike it, especially how it is now, the abilities are fair and balanced, but can be abused to an unfair advantage that's patience wise, atleast tone it down with the health and abilities by shortening them at an amount where it's not easily used as an infinite source for running away all the time.
I agree that his abilities are fair and balanced. You're officially just complaining about people that KNOW how to use them. Doesn't require a change. Learn to counter it. This is now a pointless thread.

Final note: your constant replies are nothing but spam. Nothing is adding to your argument. Please stop and at LEAST reformat your original post because I cannot follow your train of thought with anything you're giving us.
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Re: zorark complaint

Postby Petricor » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:00 pm

people complain about anything about any boss, but most of those people were sometimes joking
Nnno they're serious when they complain about certain bosses they can't beat.
"and were most of the times making those claims by themselves, without anyone else agreeing on them."
Those are minorities, and they're pretty much weak claims that doesn't support how serious they are to their own boss problems, compared to 2/3 of people agreeing on how a boss is functioning incorrectly.
Scout Main Epic, Shakes, Ishtar, Me, Kary, Sol Invictus, PopTopMop, a few others with related opinions, and it's a good amount of people sharing their bad opinions about zorark, and if you see them talking about him more, then you can clearly tell it isnt a joke. and i bet that if you ask any one of those players i've mentioned, they'll give you in full depth why zorark is horrible.
You're calling out a lot of people here and you say that they can give more in depth suggestion on how to fix them and yet you seemed to have failed to discuss this with them thoroughly first to see how Zoroark can be fixed without hurting the ratio and instead provide screenshots of them complaining, which isn't evidence as I can probably screenshot people complaining on any other boss that they lose against.
I posted that as supporting detail for your request in suggesting ways he can be fixed, which pretty much sums up examples of how he has horrible traits that most doesn't like, and it isn't hard to learn from what they say, taking their thoughts and opinions and their examples as references to actually fixing the boss.
PopTop: it takes me 10 minutes to load up the server itself, and then this bullshit, why o why, god?
- doesnt take a genius to understand what he said and to fix it
So because this certain individual took 10 minutes to load the server, everyone should adhere to his needs and move the round as quickly as possible so he can play the game (unless it was a purpose delay)?
As for what I said to many, that is really irrelevant to my complaint, this is a better description

PopTopMop: really though they should add something to make it so they need to constantly be attacking
-This is one of the most common things people want for zorark, their responses about the delay sums up what Pop says, it can be a good suggestion for zorark to be fixed, to find a way that he isn't so passively aggressive
if it is true that he's balanced he still needs reworkings to make him not so fustrating to play against
So basically make him unbalanced so he's easier to play against. Got it.
"especially the amount it takes to even end the match chasing him and trapping him. it's really just an attack and hide type of boss with the abilities he has, and thats extremely annoying to do"
Another alternative is to understand the full point of why I wrote that before jumping into conclusions, and too look at player suggestion examples on what I meant by reworkings meant to be made on him
And like Many says, Zoroark's win ratio is basically at least a solid evidence that he's a balanced boss. It's the player themselves that either want to make sure they don't want to get killed fast by going invisible or just delaying the round on purpose (which happens to any boss so it would be the player's fault). At that point if you see them delaying the round longer than they're supposed to, ON PURPOSE, report them.
This isn't really a complaint about the boss killing RED many more teams than RED killing hale, it's the way he works that gets people ticked off. It's the abilies zorark has that makes it extremely easy for the boss user to get away and delay round time, and it doesn't put a smile on anyone's faces for sit around waiting for the boss to come back to fight, and then to run away just to delay round time some more to piss people off. It's not really how he's balanced it's how he functions in the game, and how it gets everyone agitated to even play against. In the end RED wins, In the end Hale wins, but the system behind it is utterly annoying, and it can really get me (and most likely other people) off the moodset.
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Re: zorark complaint

Postby Faiithe » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:10 pm

if they want to delay the entire round, they can just keep avoiding the players with their abilities. if there were staff on ofcourse he'd be dealt with because they have power to do something about it, while other players don't have power, which leads to the boss user's free choice to do what they want as the boss, recently just delaying the round hiding and coming out at times, from their own will.

You have basically described the number of people playing ANY boss that will run off and delay the round. Again, there's this magical tool called /report and with enough evidence, said player can be punished for purposely delaying the round.

the abilities are fair and balanced, but can be abused to an unfair advantage that's patience wise, atleast tone it down with the health and abilities by shortening them at an amount where it's not easily used as an infinite source for running away all the time.

This entire line is just... contradicting. "He's fair and balanced but we need to nerf him so he's easier to beat"

It's the abilies zorark has that makes it extremely easy for the boss user to get away and delay round time, and it doesn't put a smile on anyone's faces for sit around waiting for the boss to come back to fight, and then to run away just to delay round time some more to piss people off.

Again. That is EVERY bad player who likes to delay rounds. Magical tool called /report. Use it.

It's not really how he's balanced it's how he functions in the game, and how it gets everyone agitated to even play against. In the end RED wins, In the end Hale wins, but the system behind it is utterly annoying, and it can really get me (and most likely other people) off the moodset.

I'm sorry but wtf. This just basically proves you're complaining about this boss NOT BECAUSE HE IS OP OR UP BUT BECAUSE HE SPECIFICALLY TICKS YOU AND 2 OR 3 PEOPLE OFF???
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Re: zorark complaint

Postby Petricor » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:14 pm

Sorry to say but faiith nor benstartri had ran into this problem by playing the game with someone as zorark, which they don't understand the full reason of why I made this post in the first place up till now. It's much easier to understand once you experience this scenario from playing on the server. This topic can be locked since i'm no longer responding to any controversies about the boss.
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Re: zorark complaint

Postby White Sedan » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:15 pm

This thread is getting of hand. Zoroark has a 48% win ratio, AKA balanced. It seems like the problem is more with the players who take their time with stealth bosses. Also I think a lot of the reason people hate Zoroark is because it’s a furry. Locking this.
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